Bentleys on the road Part 2 (picture)

Barrie Warrener · Post by **Barrie Warrener** » Mon Sep 05, 2011 11:30 pm

Part 1 of this topic is at http://www.bdcl.org/forum/viewtopic.php?t=2144 .

Laurie

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Seen over the weekend.
Can anyone identify all four cars?

( I hope the pictures are ok Laurie )

Laurie Fox · Post by **Laurie Fox** » Tue Sep 06, 2011 12:14 am

Barrie

Yes, the pictures are fine. I hope that Photobucket keeps going as the pictures will disappear if they ever go belly up.

This is because when a browser is asked to display a topic it gets some information from the forum database. This information includes the URL's (addresses) where the pictures can be found; not the pictures themselves. Pictures loaded by the forum picture posting routines work in the same way but the addresses of the pictures point to a file which is an integral part of the forum code.

When someone posts a picture which is hosted on eBay (for example) and likely not to be available for long I have been known to copy it and repost it using the forum routines so that it does not disappear from the forum when the original URL fails.

All good fun.

Laurie

Laurie Fox · Post by **Laurie Fox** » Fri Sep 16, 2011 11:26 am

Three S's (1 or 2) and one T1. I am not good on coachbuilders.

Laurie

Julian Pinkster · Post by **Julian Pinkster** » Fri Sep 16, 2011 12:31 pm

Barrie,

Photo 1:
The dark blue car is a 1961 Bentley S2 James Young Long Wheelbase Saloon to design number B2.100.
The other car is most likely a Bentley S1 James Young Saloon to design number B10.

Photo 2:
Bentley T2 Standard Saloon and Bentley S1 Continental H.J. Mulliner Fastback.

Barrie Warrener · Post by **Barrie Warrener** » Mon Sep 19, 2011 9:34 pm

Julian Pinkster wrote:Barrie,

Photo 1:
The dark blue car is a 1961 Bentley S2 James Young Long Wheelbase Saloon to design number B2.100.
The other car is most likely a Bentley S1 James Young Saloon to design number B10.

Photo 2:
Bentley T2 Standard Saloon and Bentley S1 Continental H.J. Mulliner Fastback.

Well done Julian!
I'm sorry I haven't responded sooner.
The dark blue car is in fact velvet green (such is the quality of my iphone camera)
I know it as a James Young SCT100 design, is that the same as your B2.100?
The really tricky one is the S1 JY.
From an initial glance it looks like a Cloud/S1, then it seems to be a long wheelbase but it's not although the rear leg room is greater than a standard saloon.
Well done for identifying it especially from such an awkward angle

Barrie Warrener · Post by **Barrie Warrener** » Thu Nov 22, 2012 7:41 pm

Autumn!

Peter Boxer · Post by **Peter Boxer** » Thu Nov 22, 2012 9:27 pm

Super shot, Barrie - thanks!
Peter

Barrie Warrener · Post by **Barrie Warrener** » Sat Nov 24, 2012 6:48 pm

Noted Peter.
If you liked that then I'm sure you'll like this:

Christopher Carnley · Post by **Christopher Carnley** » Sat Nov 24, 2012 7:49 pm

"No way to treat a lady."

Peter Boxer · Post by **Peter Boxer** » Mon Nov 26, 2012 11:28 pm

Hear, hear, Chris!! ..And it almost looks as though someone's been using the snow on the nearside front wing as material for snowballs...
Overall, it does seem a little sad to see such a lovely car (S1 Continental?) sitting out there on the street in such weather.
Peter

Post by **Roger Mathew** » Tue Nov 27, 2012 12:02 am

Mulliner S1 Continental is my guess: the rear looks fastback, and the bumper over-riders are S-type.
Roger

Barrie Warrener · Post by **Barrie Warrener** » Tue Nov 27, 2012 8:34 pm

Roger Mathew wrote:Mulliner S1 Continental is my guess: the rear looks fastback, and the bumper over-riders are S-type.
Roger

Correct in all respects Mr Mathew.

But come, come chaps.
Wasn't the ethos of the car that it be used?
The owner I believe uses it as his daily driver and very lovely it is to see on the road rather than tucked
away in someone's investment portfolio.

Here it is with a friend on a sunnier day.......

Peter Boxer · Post by **Peter Boxer** » Wed Nov 28, 2012 11:38 pm

Absolutely right, Barrie - it just looked a bit sorry for itself under the snow! Otherwise, they should indeed be used...and when all's said & done it's obviously a well-looked-after, lovely car!
Peter

Stephen Blakey · Post by **Stephen Blakey** » Thu Nov 29, 2012 8:52 pm

Not only a Bentley on the road, but one being being driven by the finest restorer in the whole of Dodworth!

Barrie Warrener · Post by **Barrie Warrener** » Thu Nov 29, 2012 11:28 pm

I'm not very well up on pre war Bentleys.
Can anyone please tell me what it is and coach builder.

Christopher Carnley · Post by **Christopher Carnley** » Fri Nov 30, 2012 9:44 am

Barrie,

Bentley 3 1/2 litre 1934, a "Derby". Coach work by Park Ward, aluminium over ash, etc, before P.W started the all-steel body in 1936.

Rebuilt after the war, using parts cannibalized from at least 7 other scrapped Derby cars, the ENG No, engine number, stamped on the crankcase, is repeated on every part, but is not the chassis No, B** CR.

It has an awful R-R heavy clutch, where the clutch plate is a steel disc.

Engine/gearbox,front&rear axles, brakes/suspension, electrics and ancillaries, rebuilt by yours truly at someone else's vast expense between 1/12/2011, and 28/11/2012, with more than a little help from Stephen Blakey, and Max France.

I don,t want to see another, for ever. (Cylinder head Â£7,000!) Mines gone.

Chris.

Barrie Warrener · Post by **Barrie Warrener** » Fri Nov 30, 2012 11:31 am

Thank you Chris.
Spoken from the heart!

Stewart Wilkie · Post by **Stewart Wilkie** » Fri Nov 30, 2012 11:45 am

Christopher Carnley wrote:Barrie,

Bentley 3 1/2 litre 1934, a "Derby". Coach work by Park Ward, aluminium over ash, etc, before P.W started the all-steel body in 1936.

Rebuilt after the war, using parts cannibalized from at least 7 other scrapped Derby cars, the ENG No, engine number, stamped on the crankcase, is repeated on every part, but is not the chassis No, B** CR.

It has an awful R-R heavy clutch, where the clutch plate is a steel disc.

Engine/gearbox,front&rear axles, brakes/suspension, electrics and ancillaries, rebuilt by yours truly at someone else's vast expense between 1/12/2011, and 28/11/2012, with more than a little help from Stephen Blakey, and Max France.

I don,t want to see another, for ever. (Cylinder head Â£7,000!) Mines gone.

Chris.

A nice looking car, well done.

Christopher Carnley · Post by **Christopher Carnley** » Fri Nov 30, 2012 1:13 pm

Thanks for the compliments gentlemen, I am quite overcome.

Chris.

Stewart Wilkie · Post by **Stewart Wilkie** » Fri Nov 30, 2012 8:10 pm

Sent in by Mr C

A wonderful 1947 Bentley MK V1 by Figoni et Falaschi Chassis B-9-AJ.

It disapeared in the USA for 20 years after Pebble beach 1991

It is the only Figoni et Falaschi MK VI Bentley and it could exceed

Â£1,000,000

Christopher Carnley · Post by **Christopher Carnley** » Fri Nov 30, 2012 8:41 pm

Stewart,

Thanks.

Chris.

John Robins · Post by **John Robins** » Fri Nov 30, 2012 8:51 pm

At least it is not quite as excessively styled as some of their other cars, but I have to say that I don't like it. Sorry, but the proportions just don't seem quite right and the front wings look too heavily arched over the wheels. Quite a few lesser makes, mainly in 30s America, did a better job on what they called the business coupe, which was usually the cheapest car in a given range.

http://tinyurl.com/cv9fb2d

The other thought that occurred was, if you wanted to spend a million quid, couldn't you make one anyway?

Christopher Carnley · Post by **Christopher Carnley** » Fri Nov 30, 2012 9:55 pm

John,

With its obvious S.S front end, and strange rear,I have to agree with you.

It is a far cry from their stylish Delage masterpieces.

Chris.

Stewart Wilkie · Post by **Stewart Wilkie** » Fri Nov 30, 2012 10:48 pm

The front lights are too low. If higher the car would look so much better I feel

John Robins · Post by **John Robins** » Sat Dec 01, 2012 10:43 am

And a three window business coupe from not such a lesser manufacturer, a bit beetle browed, but the front end treatment in the traditional style is more successful, I think. The car is a 120, the lowest model in the Packard range, but the front suspension may look familiar to some members.

http://tinyurl.com/cxndghc

James O'Neil · Post by **James O'Neil** » Sat Feb 02, 2013 1:56 pm

Christopher,

Would the door mirrors on the green Derby Bentley be suitable for a Mark VI (HJ Mulliner body)? And if so are they available these days?

Regards, James

Christopher Carnley · Post by **Christopher Carnley** » Sat Feb 02, 2013 2:09 pm

James,

You will have to do a careful search through what is available,but the clamp on overtaking DESMO style mirrors are most suitable.

Which of the Mulliner styles is it?

Try the Holden catalogue for a start.

Christopher

James O'Neil · Post by **James O'Neil** » Sat Feb 02, 2013 3:15 pm

Christopher,

It's a 7122 style body. It had wing mirrors which I didn't like and which also seemed to be pretty useless. Or not at all pretty but definitely useless. I like the S1 type door mirrors but fitting them would not be straightforward on account of the timber door frame, so I thought the clamp-on type on the Derby I saw when I visited you would be a better bet. I'll follow up your suggestion and look at Holdens. Thanks again,

James

Peter Boxer · Post by **Peter Boxer** » Tue Feb 05, 2013 7:02 pm

These are how I've got around the problem on my MkVI, James (I can't stand wing-mirrors, either!). I have these both sides, and even the left one is excellent (both have convex glass, of course), giving a very good field of view rearwards.

Can't remember who made them - but I can certainly find out if you're interested...they're pretty standard, but both discreet and functional.

Peter

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James O'Neil · Post by **James O'Neil** » Tue Feb 05, 2013 7:49 pm

Peter,

Thank you - they certainly look good. I'll have a look when I visit my car at the restorer's in the next day or so and see whether this type of mirror would be suitable.

Regards,

James

Stephen Blakey · Post by **Stephen Blakey** » Thu Apr 25, 2013 10:01 am

I mentioned to Chris that Alistair and Jayne Payne arrived at our regional gathering on Sunday in their recently acquired Alan Padgett R-Type special (with S1 engine). I said I would send him a picture so I decided I may as well put it on here. This is one of Alan's last specials.

Also present was Simon Taylor (not the more famous Derby owning Simon Taylor) in his delightfully patinated original VDP 3L which has been in his family since 1939. This is recently back on the road following a lengthy mechanical refurb which, judging by the lack of blue haze, can be counted a success (heavy fuel consumption notwithstanding. I referred him to the forum thread on that subject).

Whilst we were admiring the Bentleys in the sunshine a Lancaster bomber gave a fly-past and we all thanked our Chairman Kevin Gibbin for organising this surprise. He modestly claimed it was nothing to do with him. The four Merlins sounded magnificent.

Little and large. that's the Cobbing 8L on the left reminding us that WO never got round to increasing the track of the cars. It was my privilege to drive the 8L the seventy miles home. It has been reduced to 12 foot wheelbase from the original 13 foot but is still a bit like maneuvering a supertanker at times. The engine is now loosening up after a full rebuild and it's becoming noticeably more lively. Powerful, in fact!

Stephen Blakey · Post by **Stephen Blakey** » Wed May 29, 2013 12:28 pm

This on the original 3L, from our latest regional newletter;

Briefly, it was bought by his late father for £10 0s 0d just before the war, and was only put back on the road after several decades dormant, last year. Cars as family heirlooms, and especially when they've never been extensively or radically restored are artefacts which stir one's soul in a
way, and to an extent, which can never be stimulated by any other kind of old vehicle. Families, wives and children all store memories inextricably associated with that car, and are thereby able to share them with each other, the car itself even carrying scars acquired by events of shared
memory. Simon for instance said that the windscreen frame has never been the same since it was forced to support the weight of an upturned boat, and the hood blew away and floated off down the Medway on another trip.

£10 0s 0d doesn't sound very much, but then impressions can be deceptive. Was that a lot of money in 1939?

Laurie Fox · Post by **Laurie Fox** » Wed May 29, 2013 12:44 pm

Stephen

£10 was a fair sum in 1939 which you only spent on something that you really wanted and you were lucky to have it to spare. Robert Zannetti, all being well, will be making my biography available soon with a lot of stuff about the pre war days.

Laurie

Stewart Wilkie · Post by **Stewart Wilkie** » Wed May 29, 2013 12:57 pm

Another version

http://www.carandclassic.co.uk/car/C392417

Dont know what to make of it ?

Stephen Blakey · Post by **Stephen Blakey** » Wed May 29, 2013 1:00 pm

Laurie Fox wrote: Robert Zannetti, all being well, will be making my biography available soon with a lot of stuff about the pre war days.

Laurie

I'm looking forward to it.

Best wishes,

Stephen

Stephen Blakey · Post by **Stephen Blakey** » Wed May 29, 2013 1:21 pm

Stewart Wilkie wrote: Dont know what to make of it ?

Well you've got admire their audacity and determination (not to mention budget) for trying something original. I understand this was fully surfaced in CAD which has got to be the way to go. The danger though is that you end up at the mercy of some callow CAD jockey who knows lots about CAD and naff-all about styling (or engineering for that matter). First impressions seem favourable but we need to see it in the flesh.

I wonder how they sourced the curved windscreen?

Why can't Bentley Motors produce something like that? Maybe they did, sort of, with the Continental R?

Barrie Warrener · Post by **Barrie Warrener** » Thu Sep 12, 2013 11:36 pm

Interesting period photo and story I came across about Bernard Herrman (NDO, remember?)
I wonder what the Alvis was?

"And that’s the Bentley…
Herrmann always wanted one of those all his life and we were walking past a shop window in Mayfair near Berkeley Square one day and it was in the window and he marched in and said: “I’d like that car”. And they said: “Oh this is the most beautiful…” “I know exactly what it is! I’d like it!!” And then they said “and the tires are so wonderful” He said “I want it!” They spent half an hour selling it to him after he said he wanted it. But he never drove it because he couldn’t drive on the left. He tried a couple of times and nearly got us killed, so he never drove it, I did.

I loved it and I was going to keep it forever, but it was so difficult to drive

In California he went out one day with Hitchcock, they went to a Rolls Royce dealer. And they both walked in and asked to look at the cars and this chap didn’t recognize either, he should have recognized Hitchcock, and he looks at them, because they were always very badly dressed and untidy, and he said no: “You couldn’t afford it anyway.” And Hitchcock said: “I am Alfred Hitchcock. You have just seen ten thousands of dollars walk out of your shop!” So they didn’t get one that was when Benny bought the Alvis."

Peter Boxer · Post by **Peter Boxer** » Fri Sep 13, 2013 5:57 am

...And saying that "[the Bentley] was so difficult to drive" seems a bit odd - what with auto 'box, power steering, great driving position, etc.!

Peter

James O'Neil · Post by **James O'Neil** » Fri Sep 13, 2013 6:59 am

Barry,

The Bernard Herrmann in this story - the Hollywood composer who wrote the music for many films - isn't the one who conducted the BBC Northern Dance Orchestra. They were often confused, on this side of the Atlantic in any event, and were both superb musicians. Incidentally, Johnny Roadhouse, who played saxophone in the NDO, was an avid fan of vintage Bentleys. Perhaps someone else can remember which model(s) he owned.

James

Stephen Blakey · Post by **Stephen Blakey** » Fri Sep 13, 2013 7:14 am

James Oneil wrote:Incidentally, Johnny Roadhouse, who played saxophone in the NDO, was an avid fan of vintage Bentleys.

Do you think that was his real name? I wonder if he was the inspiration behind Roadhouse Blues by the Doors?

Christopher Carnley · Post by **Christopher Carnley** » Fri Sep 13, 2013 8:08 am

Roadhouse, born in Sheffield was his real name, an aircraft fitter at MV in Trafford Park , autodidact with the saxophone!

Big shop in Manchester, frequented by P McC..

(I cut out all the Obituaries, and if I,m not mentioned, I get out of bed!).

James O'Neil · Post by **James O'Neil** » Fri Sep 13, 2013 8:16 am

Bentley owners never die, they just fail to proceed.

Laurie Fox · Post by **Laurie Fox** » Sat Sep 14, 2013 5:23 pm

Dummy entry to bring Part 2 to the top of the recent topics list.

Laurie

Ewan Gallie · Post by **Ewan Gallie** » Mon Sep 23, 2013 7:28 am

This one won't be on the earthly road for much longer!

http://www.ryot.org/brazilian-count-chi ... ian/378129

Ciao,
Ewan

Post by **Paul Spencer** » Mon Sep 23, 2013 8:28 am

Ummm ... weren't the Pharoahs buried with their treasures?

Paul

Christopher Carnley · Post by **Christopher Carnley** » Mon Sep 23, 2013 8:44 am

Did it say Count Dracula?

So the Brazilians have filthy dirty hospitals, just like us!

James O'Neil · Post by **James O'Neil** » Sun Jul 19, 2015 4:02 pm

Not Bentleys, but on the road: three Lagondas seen in Épernay at the weekend (18 July 2015)

John Fox · Post by **John Fox** » Wed Jul 22, 2015 2:51 pm

Barrie Warrener wrote:

Interesting period photo and story I came across about Bernard Herrman (NDO, remember?)
I wonder what the Alvis was?

"And that’s the Bentley…
Herrmann always wanted one of those all his life and we were walking past a shop window in Mayfair near Berkeley Square one day and it was in the window and he marched in and said: “I’d like that car”. And they said: “Oh this is the most beautiful…” “I know exactly what it is! I’d like it!!” And then they said “and the tires are so wonderful” He said “I want it!” They spent half an hour selling it to him after he said he wanted it. But he never drove it because he couldn’t drive on the left. He tried a couple of times and nearly got us killed, so he never drove it, I did.

I loved it and I was going to keep it forever, but it was so difficult to drive

In California he went out one day with Hitchcock, they went to a Rolls Royce dealer. And they both walked in and asked to look at the cars and this chap didn’t recognize either, he should have recognized Hitchcock, and he looks at them, because they were always very badly dressed and untidy, and he said no: “You couldn’t afford it anyway.” And Hitchcock said: “I am Alfred Hitchcock. You have just seen ten thousands of dollars walk out of your shop!” So they didn’t get one that was when Benny bought the Alvis."

The Alvis was a TA21 Tickford drophead (see http://alvisarchive.com/the-ta21/) and it must have been a good choice as his widow still owns it. The TA21 saloon is a more compact contemporary of the Mark VI with similar performance and quality while the drophead is a relatively rare beast with 403 Tickfords in TA-TC versions from 1951-55 before Aston Martin pulled the plug. Graber came to the rescue with his designs for the TC108G and later TD-TF versions bodied by the RR subsidiary of Park Ward.

Ewan Gallie · Post by **Ewan Gallie** » Fri Oct 23, 2015 1:54 pm

Did an event last Saturday (Trofeo Milano) sponsored in part by Breitling, was the only car with a Flying B so got split second notoriety in a publicity video composed during the event by two competent photographers from Breitling. Got a special prize at the very end too.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mATLdJXbJp8

Ciao,
Ewan

Barrie Warrener · Post by **Barrie Warrener** » Thu Nov 05, 2015 1:36 pm

I see in this thread I took a similar picture three years ago.
Same car, same place only the leaves are different.

Barrie Warrener · Post by **Barrie Warrener** » Sun Nov 13, 2016 5:31 pm

Seen the other evening in Mayfair, one of the car's natural habitats.

John Robison · Post by **John Robison** » Wed Mar 08, 2017 3:19 pm

Here are a bunch of Bentley from America . . . some of the photos are from our workshop which is on the grounds of what was the American Rolls-Royce plant in Springfield; others are from show fields around New England

Christopher Carnley · Post by **Christopher Carnley** » Wed Mar 08, 2017 4:34 pm

Titeflex made steel braided rubber hoses in part of the former Rolls-Royce factory.

Nuked.

John Robison · Post by **John Robison** » Wed Mar 08, 2017 11:40 pm

Just so . . . they tore down the last vestige of the RR factory part a few years ago.

Our shop buildings are about 500 feet from where those photos were taken. If you are curious look on Google Earth for 347 Page Boulevard, Springfield, MA USA. You will see the five modern garage buildings of our present complex. Behind us are two large factory buildings, one of which is the current Titeflex from the photos and the other Smith & Wesson training centre.

During the 1930s the area where our buildings are now was empty and used to test cars and store material. The US Army took the area over and made it part of the Springfield Armory during WWII After the war it reverted to Titeflex and we bought the lots for our shops 25 years ago

Bentleys on the road Part 2 (picture)

Bentleys on the road Part 2 (picture)

Bernard Herrman's Alvis