Bentleys on the road Part 2 (picture)

Barrie Warrener

Part 1 of this topic is at http://www.bdcl.org/forum/viewtopic.php?t=2144 .

Laurie

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Seen over the weekend.
Can anyone identify all four cars?

( I hope the pictures are ok Laurie )

Laurie Fox · Guest

Barrie

Yes, the pictures are fine. I hope that Photobucket keeps going as the pictures will disappear if they ever go belly up.

This is because when a browser is asked to display a topic it gets some information from the forum database. This information includes the URL's (addresses) where the pictures can be found; not the pictures themselves. Pictures loaded by the forum picture posting routines work in the same way but the addresses of the pictures point to a file which is an integral part of the forum code.

When someone posts a picture which is hosted on eBay (for example) and likely not to be available for long I have been known to copy it and repost it using the forum routines so that it does not disappear from the forum when the original URL fails.

All good fun.

Laurie

Laurie Fox · Guest

Three S's (1 or 2) and one T1. I am not good on coachbuilders.

Laurie

Julian Pinkster · Joined: 09 Apr 2009 Posts: 20 Location: The Hague, NL

Barrie,

Photo 1:
The dark blue car is a 1961 Bentley S2 James Young Long Wheelbase Saloon to design number B2.100.
The other car is most likely a Bentley S1 James Young Saloon to design number B10.

Photo 2:
Bentley T2 Standard Saloon and Bentley S1 Continental H.J. Mulliner Fastback.
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1976 Bentley T LWB
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Barrie Warrener · Posted: Mon Sep 19, 2011 9:34 pm Post subject:

Barrie Warrener · Posted: Thu Nov 22, 2012 7:41 pm Post subject:

Autumn!

Peter Boxer · Posted: Thu Nov 22, 2012 9:27 pm Post subject:

Super shot, Barrie - thanks!
Peter

Barrie Warrener · Posted: Sat Nov 24, 2012 6:48 pm Post subject:

Noted Peter.
If you liked that then I'm sure you'll like this:

Christopher Carnley · Posted: Sat Nov 24, 2012 7:49 pm Post subject:

"No way to treat a lady."

Peter Boxer · Posted: Mon Nov 26, 2012 11:28 pm Post subject:

Hear, hear, Chris!! ..And it almost looks as though someone's been using the snow on the nearside front wing as material for snowballs...
Overall, it does seem a little sad to see such a lovely car (S1 Continental?) sitting out there on the street in such weather.
Peter

Roger Mathew · Posted: Tue Nov 27, 2012 12:02 am Post subject:

Mulliner S1 Continental is my guess: the rear looks fastback, and the bumper over-riders are S-type.
Roger

Barrie Warrener · Posted: Tue Nov 27, 2012 8:34 pm Post subject:

Peter Boxer · Posted: Wed Nov 28, 2012 11:38 pm Post subject:

Absolutely right, Barrie - it just looked a bit sorry for itself under the snow! Otherwise, they should indeed be used...and when all's said & done it's obviously a well-looked-after, lovely car!
Peter

Stephen Blakey · Posted: Thu Nov 29, 2012 8:52 pm Post subject:

Not only a Bentley on the road, but one being being driven by the finest restorer in the whole of Dodworth!

Barrie Warrener · Posted: Thu Nov 29, 2012 11:28 pm Post subject:

I'm not very well up on pre war Bentleys.
Can anyone please tell me what it is and coach builder.

Christopher Carnley · Posted: Fri Nov 30, 2012 9:44 am Post subject:

Barrie,

Bentley 3 1/2 litre 1934, a "Derby". Coach work by Park Ward, aluminium over ash, etc, before P.W started the all-steel body in 1936.

Rebuilt after the war, using parts cannibalized from at least 7 other scrapped Derby cars, the ENG No, engine number, stamped on the crankcase, is repeated on every part, but is not the chassis No, B** CR.

It has an awful R-R heavy clutch, where the clutch plate is a steel disc.

Engine/gearbox,front&rear axles, brakes/suspension, electrics and ancillaries, rebuilt by yours truly at someone else's vast expense between 1/12/2011, and 28/11/2012, with more than a little help from Stephen Blakey, and Max France.

I don,t want to see another, for ever. (Cylinder head Â£7,000!) Mines gone.

Chris.

Barrie Warrener · Posted: Fri Nov 30, 2012 11:31 am Post subject:

Thank you Chris.
Spoken from the heart!

Stewart Wilkie · Joined: 15 Jun 2004 Posts: 526 Location: Cambridgeshire

Christopher Carnley · Posted: Fri Nov 30, 2012 1:13 pm Post subject:

Thanks for the compliments gentlemen, I am quite overcome.

Chris.

Stewart Wilkie · Joined: 15 Jun 2004 Posts: 526 Location: Cambridgeshire

Sent in by Mr C

A wonderful 1947 Bentley MK V1 by Figoni et Falaschi Chassis B-9-AJ.

It disapeared in the USA for 20 years after Pebble beach 1991

It is the only Figoni et Falaschi MK VI Bentley and it could exceed

Â£1,000,000

Christopher Carnley · Posted: Fri Nov 30, 2012 8:41 pm Post subject:

Stewart,

Thanks.

Chris.

John Robins · Posted: Fri Nov 30, 2012 8:51 pm Post subject:

At least it is not quite as excessively styled as some of their other cars, but I have to say that I don't like it. Sorry, but the proportions just don't seem quite right and the front wings look too heavily arched over the wheels. Quite a few lesser makes, mainly in 30s America, did a better job on what they called the business coupe, which was usually the cheapest car in a given range.

http://tinyurl.com/cv9fb2d

The other thought that occurred was, if you wanted to spend a million quid, couldn't you make one anyway?

Christopher Carnley · Posted: Fri Nov 30, 2012 9:55 pm Post subject:

John,

With its obvious S.S front end, and strange rear,I have to agree with you.

It is a far cry from their stylish Delage masterpieces.

Chris.

Stewart Wilkie · Joined: 15 Jun 2004 Posts: 526 Location: Cambridgeshire

The front lights are too low. If higher the car would look so much better I feel

John Robins · Posted: Sat Dec 01, 2012 10:43 am Post subject:

And a three window business coupe from not such a lesser manufacturer, a bit beetle browed, but the front end treatment in the traditional style is more successful, I think. The car is a 120, the lowest model in the Packard range, but the front suspension may look familiar to some members.

http://tinyurl.com/cxndghc

James O'Neil · Posted: Sat Feb 02, 2013 1:56 pm Post subject:

Christopher,

Would the door mirrors on the green Derby Bentley be suitable for a Mark VI (HJ Mulliner body)? And if so are they available these days?

Regards, James

Christopher Carnley · Posted: Sat Feb 02, 2013 2:09 pm Post subject:

James,

You will have to do a careful search through what is available,but the clamp on overtaking DESMO style mirrors are most suitable.

Which of the Mulliner styles is it?

Try the Holden catalogue for a start.

Christopher

James O'Neil · Posted: Sat Feb 02, 2013 3:15 pm Post subject:

Christopher,

It's a 7122 style body. It had wing mirrors which I didn't like and which also seemed to be pretty useless. Or not at all pretty but definitely useless. I like the S1 type door mirrors but fitting them would not be straightforward on account of the timber door frame, so I thought the clamp-on type on the Derby I saw when I visited you would be a better bet. I'll follow up your suggestion and look at Holdens. Thanks again,

James

Peter Boxer · Posted: Tue Feb 05, 2013 7:02 pm Post subject:

These are how I've got around the problem on my MkVI, James (I can't stand wing-mirrors, either!). I have these both sides, and even the left one is excellent (both have convex glass, of course), giving a very good field of view rearwards.

Can't remember who made them - but I can certainly find out if you're interested...they're pretty standard, but both discreet and functional.

Peter

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James O'Neil · Posted: Tue Feb 05, 2013 7:49 pm Post subject:

Peter,

Thank you - they certainly look good. I'll have a look when I visit my car at the restorer's in the next day or so and see whether this type of mirror would be suitable.

Regards,

James

Stephen Blakey · Posted: Thu Apr 25, 2013 10:01 am Post subject:

I mentioned to Chris that Alistair and Jayne Payne arrived at our regional gathering on Sunday in their recently acquired Alan Padgett R-Type special (with S1 engine). I said I would send him a picture so I decided I may as well put it on here. This is one of Alan's last specials.

Also present was Simon Taylor (not the more famous Derby owning Simon Taylor) in his delightfully patinated original VDP 3L which has been in his family since 1939. This is recently back on the road following a lengthy mechanical refurb which, judging by the lack of blue haze, can be counted a success (heavy fuel consumption notwithstanding. I referred him to the forum thread on that subject).

Whilst we were admiring the Bentleys in the sunshine a Lancaster bomber gave a fly-past and we all thanked our Chairman Kevin Gibbin for organising this surprise. He modestly claimed it was nothing to do with him. The four Merlins sounded magnificent.

Little and large. that's the Cobbing 8L on the left reminding us that WO never got round to increasing the track of the cars. It was my privilege to drive the 8L the seventy miles home. It has been reduced to 12 foot wheelbase from the original 13 foot but is still a bit like maneuvering a supertanker at times. The engine is now loosening up after a full rebuild and it's becoming noticeably more lively. Powerful, in fact!

Stephen Blakey · Posted: Wed May 29, 2013 12:28 pm Post subject:

This on the original 3L, from our latest regional newletter;

Briefly, it was bought by his late father for £10 0s 0d just before the war, and was only put back on the road after several decades dormant, last year. Cars as family heirlooms, and especially when they've never been extensively or radically restored are artefacts which stir one's soul in a
way, and to an extent, which can never be stimulated by any other kind of old vehicle. Families, wives and children all store memories inextricably associated with that car, and are thereby able to share them with each other, the car itself even carrying scars acquired by events of shared
memory. Simon for instance said that the windscreen frame has never been the same since it was forced to support the weight of an upturned boat, and the hood blew away and floated off down the Medway on another trip.

£10 0s 0d doesn't sound very much, but then impressions can be deceptive. Was that a lot of money in 1939?

Laurie Fox · Guest

Stephen

£10 was a fair sum in 1939 which you only spent on something that you really wanted and you were lucky to have it to spare. Robert Zannetti, all being well, will be making my biography available soon with a lot of stuff about the pre war days.

Laurie

Stewart Wilkie · Joined: 15 Jun 2004 Posts: 526 Location: Cambridgeshire

Another version

http://www.carandclassic.co.uk/car/C392417

Dont know what to make of it ?

Stephen Blakey · Posted: Wed May 29, 2013 1:00 pm Post subject:

Stephen Blakey · Posted: Wed May 29, 2013 1:21 pm Post subject:

Barrie Warrener · Posted: Thu Sep 12, 2013 11:36 pm Post subject:

Interesting period photo and story I came across about Bernard Herrman (NDO, remember?)
I wonder what the Alvis was?

"And that’s the Bentley…
Herrmann always wanted one of those all his life and we were walking past a shop window in Mayfair near Berkeley Square one day and it was in the window and he marched in and said: “I’d like that car”. And they said: “Oh this is the most beautiful…” “I know exactly what it is! I’d like it!!” And then they said “and the tires are so wonderful” He said “I want it!” They spent half an hour selling it to him after he said he wanted it. But he never drove it because he couldn’t drive on the left. He tried a couple of times and nearly got us killed, so he never drove it, I did.

I loved it and I was going to keep it forever, but it was so difficult to drive

In California he went out one day with Hitchcock, they went to a Rolls Royce dealer. And they both walked in and asked to look at the cars and this chap didn’t recognize either, he should have recognized Hitchcock, and he looks at them, because they were always very badly dressed and untidy, and he said no: “You couldn’t afford it anyway.” And Hitchcock said: “I am Alfred Hitchcock. You have just seen ten thousands of dollars walk out of your shop!” So they didn’t get one that was when Benny bought the Alvis."

Peter Boxer · Posted: Fri Sep 13, 2013 5:57 am Post subject:

...And saying that "[the Bentley] was so difficult to drive" seems a bit odd - what with auto 'box, power steering, great driving position, etc.!

Peter

James O'Neil · Posted: Fri Sep 13, 2013 6:59 am Post subject:

Barry,

The Bernard Herrmann in this story - the Hollywood composer who wrote the music for many films - isn't the one who conducted the BBC Northern Dance Orchestra. They were often confused, on this side of the Atlantic in any event, and were both superb musicians. Incidentally, Johnny Roadhouse, who played saxophone in the NDO, was an avid fan of vintage Bentleys. Perhaps someone else can remember which model(s) he owned.

James

Stephen Blakey · Posted: Fri Sep 13, 2013 7:14 am Post subject:

Christopher Carnley · Posted: Fri Sep 13, 2013 8:08 am Post subject:

Roadhouse, born in Sheffield was his real name, an aircraft fitter at MV in Trafford Park , autodidact with the saxophone!

Big shop in Manchester, frequented by P McC..

(I cut out all the Obituaries, and if I,m not mentioned, I get out of bed!).

James O'Neil · Posted: Fri Sep 13, 2013 8:16 am Post subject:

Bentley owners never die, they just fail to proceed.

Laurie Fox · Guest

Dummy entry to bring Part 2 to the top of the recent topics list.

Laurie

Ewan Gallie · Joined: 29 Oct 1997 Posts: 184 Location: Italy

This one won't be on the earthly road for much longer! Smile

http://www.ryot.org/brazilian-count-chiquinho-scarpa-burying-car-like-egyptian/378129

Ciao,
Ewan

Paul Spencer · Posted: Mon Sep 23, 2013 8:28 am Post subject:

Ummm ... weren't the Pharoahs buried with their treasures?

Paul

Christopher Carnley · Posted: Mon Sep 23, 2013 8:44 am Post subject:

Did it say Count Dracula?

So the Brazilians have filthy dirty hospitals, just like us!

James O'Neil · Posted: Sun Jul 19, 2015 4:02 pm Post subject:

Not Bentleys, but on the road: three Lagondas seen in Épernay at the weekend (18 July 2015)

John Fox · Joined: 26 Mar 2014 Posts: 3 Location: Lincolnshire UK

Ewan Gallie · Joined: 29 Oct 1997 Posts: 184 Location: Italy

Did an event last Saturday (Trofeo Milano) sponsored in part by Breitling, was the only car with a Flying B so got split second notoriety in a publicity video composed during the event by two competent photographers from Breitling. Got a special prize at the very end too. Very Happy

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mATLdJXbJp8

Ciao,
Ewan

Barrie Warrener · Posted: Thu Nov 05, 2015 1:36 pm Post subject:

I see in this thread I took a similar picture three years ago.
Same car, same place only the leaves are different.

Barrie Warrener · Posted: Sun Nov 13, 2016 5:31 pm Post subject:

Seen the other evening in Mayfair, one of the car's natural habitats.

John Robison · Posted: Wed Mar 08, 2017 3:19 pm Post subject:

Here are a bunch of Bentley from America . . . some of the photos are from our workshop which is on the grounds of what was the American Rolls-Royce plant in Springfield; others are from show fields around New England

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Christopher Carnley · Posted: Wed Mar 08, 2017 4:34 pm Post subject:

Titeflex made steel braided rubber hoses in part of the former Rolls-Royce factory.

Nuked.

John Robison · Posted: Wed Mar 08, 2017 11:40 pm Post subject:

Just so . . . they tore down the last vestige of the RR factory part a few years ago.

Our shop buildings are about 500 feet from where those photos were taken. If you are curious look on Google Earth for 347 Page Boulevard, Springfield, MA USA. You will see the five modern garage buildings of our present complex. Behind us are two large factory buildings, one of which is the current Titeflex from the photos and the other Smith & Wesson training centre.

During the 1930s the area where our buildings are now was empty and used to test cars and store material. The US Army took the area over and made it part of the Springfield Armory during WWII After the war it reverted to Titeflex and we bought the lots for our shops 25 years ago
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